High antioxidants may actually be BAD for stage 4 cancer -

Elli that bottle looks great! The metal cap will corrode eventually, but will work for now. I think you will be able to find a plastic lid that will fit. You might have to buy a few bottles of whatever to find one!

Don't worry about the gap as it should not make much difference. The open surface area of both is important, but mainly the reactor. It looks to be made of glass and will probably not float when filled with 12 ml of MMSU and 12 ml of 50% citric acid. When you get ClO2 testing strips you can measure the CDS ppm and adjust the solution amounts if not 3000 ppm. You can use other ppm solutions, just refer to the dosing chart to determine the proper amount of CDS to use.

I wish you the best tomorrow and I am sure many here will be praying for good results!

Hi Elli,

I know you already have the stuff to do the CDS and that's great - that might be the best way for you to go. However, I want to give you another alternative method of taking making MMS, that may help with your bloating. It's called the New 7 Day Fridge MMS and it seems to be much easier on the stomach, similar to CDS but with more ingredients left in it which may have some therapeutic benefit (don't know for sure). My recipe calls for 25% citric acid but you should be able to replace that with lemon juice instead. Here's the link to the topic:

g2cforum.org/index.php/list/mms-discussion-and-information/26232-new-7-day-fridge-mms-25-citric-acid

By the way, I'm interested in getting your paper on the black salve, and so will send you a PM.

May you be happy and health
Scott

PS. We're practically neighbors - I live in Jakarta, Indonesia

This oxidant vs anti oxidant issue is quite confusing as well as controversial and I personally don't believe anyone yet knows enough about it to form a solid opinon based on research or even antetodal evidence. If you look at the gerson therapy cancer is sometimes cured with anti-oxidants as found in all the juices. If you look at ozone therapy cancer is sometimes cured with oxidants. Same for mms. Nothing can claim across the board cure. Vitamin c cures some cancers but it surely does not work across the board. Clearly both are needed for life of the cell. The greatest oxidant there is is oxygen! and all our fresh foods are loaded with anti-oxidants. I think that somewhere in there is the requirement of balance to maintain health and then swinging the pendulum just right to regain health.

There is only one thing that I have heard of that cures all cancer and that is the Rick Simpson oil but is extremely hard to get. Now is that an oxidant or antioxidant? It may work on a totally differnt level.

If I had ovarian cancer Id be doing ozone vaginal insuffilations along with the mms.

Thanks JB for that and I haven't forgotten I've seen a pm from you ....will reply soon.
Yes the reactor is glass. I'm all set to make CDS as soon as I get out of hospital today.
DISTILLED WATER: One more question - We have an excellent source of clean, chemical-free, parasite-free spring water which we drink. Locals and travelers collect it regularly. Is this useable for the CDS? I'm thinking not because it would require the gradient pull of distilled water to 'suck in' the gas, but thought I would ask.

JAR LID: I found a plastic lid at home! I thought it was perfect but my husband is stronger than me and if he kept twisting it on it would loosen off again. He thought it might leak gas.
So I found some insulation tape, stuck it around the inside of the lid and it fits perfectly. Even hubby's big hands cant unthread it. It's a bit pathetic that my life has reached such a point that I'm excited about this ha ha.

TEST STRIPS: It's going to cost me $30 including postage to get the test strips. I'm going to hunt around in NZ for another couple of days and then order from the US.
Does anyone know the sort of company that deals with them? I've seen them online in NZ for over $70 !!
www.bits4farms.co.nz/products/irrigation-and-drainage/general1/chlorine-dioxide-test-strips.aspx
Maybe I should just order from the states and be done.

Truthquester Scott - thank you very much for that amazing information. I am feeling a little overwhelmed at the moment and have only just got all the guff together for the CDS but when I'm feeling more creative I will certainly be interested to experiment with your method.
Practically neighbours LOL. Yes you are only 7 or 8 thousand kilometres away...you and your wife could pop in for a carrot juice when you're in the area!
Thanks for your pm, I will send soon.

Arrow - interesting comments about oxidants, I have become confused and tend to like the idea of taking lypo C in the latter part of the day away from MMS.
I looked up the oil and see it is hemp oil, not hemp seed oil. Today is not the day for me but I will google it some more.

I want to take on board the good things that people suggest, but I must also take care not to complicate my treatment. More than one person has told me I complex things too much. And it's a complex structure that is now in my belly.
I agree with the pathogen theory of cancer creation. But I think there is a spiritual, emotional step before that. For me...I'm thinking it's stress which I have had a lot of, which was just starting to ease a little and then I discovered cancer. Stress (or rather mis-managed stress) weakens the immune system, which allows pathogens to thrive despite the best food and supplements. But stress and wrong thinking is also a block to God, no matter how many prayers of gratitude I say daily... what am I really thinking and worrying about that negates all my verbals to my Heavenly Father. He is the ultimate healer....He gives tools such as MMS, but we can't focus on the tools alone. Extrapolate that to whatever spiritual system you believe in, I am just sharing my feelings with a bunch of total strangers (albeit lovely ones) - yikes!

I apologize to Pam for totally hijacking this thread...that is a sin on most forums I think! Sorry.

Thanks for listening. And thank you for all the amazing information and your experiences that you are all sharing. Thank you!

Hi, Elli.

Yes, all this info is a bit overwhelming! But, all needs to be considered.

I think you really need to use "empty" water which is distilled water. I used to buy it at the grocery store, but now make it at home. Am now making more as I ran out this morning testing Scott's 7 Day fridge method. It looks interesting. Scott, check your PM!

For LaMotte high range ClO2 test strips, try here:
weberscientific.com/app/catalog/index.php
Enter 5049-09 in their "search catalog" window.
Click on the result and you will see the price is $8.04 US.
Have no idea of the shipping cost to NZ, however, if they will ship to NZ.

Just to report to those of you who are following. (Should I start a new thread?)

Colonoscopy and gastroscopy yesterday showed no naughty tissue in stomach and colon. That's the good news.
Not so good is the endoscope could not be moved beyond a certain point in my colon.
I believe.... and have asked doc for confirmation.... that the mass in my abdominal cavity is pressing on the colon. There is a horse standing on the hose.

Seems to me that is why I have so much trouble eating solids, passing BM, even pain passing gas, bloating etc.
I think that I could otherwise tolerate MMS quite well because I got up to 5 drops 5 times daily with no diarrhea and very negligible nausea. I think the gas somehow was not passing properly (not a clear understanding as I thought it would pass through membranes into blood stream and into cells).

Yesterday in the Medical Day Stay unit I heard people being wheeled back from colonoscopies and they were waking up nicely. I heard nurses telling them that they will be comfortable when they passed wind. Whereas I took an hour and a half to wake up and when I got home was groggy for hours, sort of sleeping. I was in severe pain of bloating. Huge intestinal rumbling all night and then the gas 'passed' (to put it delicately for ya), throughout the night.

Today I had consultation with gyno. It's all about chemo first and then surgery. And I know it's a downhill slide from there.
They also want to do a chest CT to make sure there is nothing in the lungs. I've had an abdo CT a few weeks ago. Don't want more radiation. If I'm not going to take their treatment (will get informed with more consults first) then I don't see the point of more radiation (equivalent to hundreds of x-rays each time) to find a tumor or not in the lung, which I wont be getting treated their way anyhow.

My plan is to do only a liquid diet - juicing, liquid minerals, barley grass, Budwig, and whatever else I can dream up that will nourish my energy and immune system but pass through the narrowed bowel.
Also CDS. When feeling ok with that I will add MMS2
I am searching what can shrink tumours. Normally, one can be patient, and let the immune system and MMS do the job gradually. But I need to shrink this to open up my bowel. Natural things don't do it fast.....hence my need for liquid diet to buy time.
I'm going to ramp up the aloe arborescens and a few other things.
I see online honey and turmeric alternate days with honey and ginger. I have some amygdalin.

Found a source of distilled water - yay.

JB and Scott - I have emails for you stuck in my outbox. Husband says the file is too big and my laptop is struggling and you would not be happy to receive that! When he gets home he will show me how to send it to you in a link.

One MORE question (arggghh sorry for all the questions) - When I activate MMS with apple cider vinegar it smells good and bleachy. Can I use acv in the CDS reactor? Or must I use CA? Bear in mind it might have caused a gassy bloat reaction from me.

Hi Elli and thanks for the update. Always good to have results of tests even if more questions are raised.

As far as using apple cider vinegar, I have never tested it when making CDS. Testing it for making MMSA shows low ClO2.

If you have LaMotte ClO2 test strips, you could use both ACV and 50% CA and measure the difference in concentration, if there is any. It could be that after 12 hours the results would be the same.

For a juice diet you might also consider wheat grass juice. You may be familiar with Ann Wigmore.

www.annwigmore.org/

The controversy between oxidants and antioxidants is a typical result of inadequate science and understanding of our civilisation as regards life. Men argue, nature acts, Voltaire said. We are not even sure that so called electrons exist as envisioned! Almost all bitter medicianl herbs are antioxidants they say...they also say earthing dowses inflammation that is caused by free radicals......does this mean walking barefoot would cancel the effects of MMS? I wonder!
We will probably never know really how life works in the next few hundred years, because of egos and arguing of research scientists. People have cured themselves with high doses of vit C.....people have also cured themselves with high doses of oxidants....same illnesses! What does this tell us? It would appear that we dont know enough....whatever works! Maybe the body wants a balance....inflammation is a healing reaction....but if it continues too long a sickness....so both oxidants and antioxidants can give 'results' of curing depending on where the patient is. Other people like Wilhelm Reich cured cancer with their fingers....and later orgone accumulator boxes. This wouldn't work today due to too much EMF around...something denied by most peole in the health industry. Type 3 diabetes is EMF induced and wont respond to any medication until the EMF is mitigated...for example.
My advice for people with chronic incurable disease is to find whats contributing in ones case....could be geopathic or EMF stress, could be inflammation, could be parasites and toxins....these always appear in the end anyway....could be emotional plague and unresolved psychological conflict..better believe it...or others. Could be a specific toxin....e.g. A new car or new carpet could poison a person with formaldehyde etc..chemical suicide! If you cant find your poison, then you have to try many things one by one carefully...if theres no time, use a proven protocol like intensive MMS..then once you recover and have time, find out what is killing you whilst maintaining a maintenance protocol.
This is what I can contribute...in my ten years of seeing very sick patients in Southern Africa, many with AIDs and cancer.